SCHNAKE SON (JOHAN?)
Abt 1653 - 1698 (~ 45 years)
Generation: 1
Generation: 3
Generation: 4
1. SCHNAKE SON (JOHAN?) was born about 1653 in Hofen Nr. 33, Westfalen, Germany (son of SCHNAKE CASPAR and UNKNOWN); was buried on 24 May 1698 in 45 yrs. old. SON married UNKNOWN. [Group Sheet]
Children:- SCHNAKE HINRICH was born about 1688.
2. SCHNAKE CASPAR was born in in Hofen Nr. 33, Westfalen, Germany (son of SCHNAKE SON); died before 1674. Notes:
See * under notes for Son Schnake.
CASPAR married UNKNOWN. was buried in 68 yrs. old. [Group Sheet]
3. UNKNOWN was buried in 68 yrs. old. Children:
- SCHNAKE TOENNIES was born before 1645 in Unterluebbe, Westfalen, Prussia; head of household Nr. 33 in 1682.
- 1. SCHNAKE SON (JOHAN?) was born about 1653 in Hofen Nr. 33, Westfalen, Germany; was buried on 24 May 1698 in 45 yrs. old.
- SCHNAKE HINRICH was born in 1659 in Hofen Nr. 33, Westfalen, Germany.
- SCHNAKE REINEKE was born in 1661 in Hofen Nr. 33, Westfalen, Germany.
- SCHNAKE ERNST was born about 1667.
Generation: 3
4. SCHNAKE SON was born in 1594 (son of SCHNACKE\SCHNAKE JOHAN); died in in Hilverdingsen.(see notes). Notes:
Note that there were no other Schnakes besides Nr. 19 recorded anywhere in Bergkirchen parish before this line shows up at Nr. 33. The farmstead at Nr. 33 was formerly occupied by the Juergen family, then it was renamed "Schnoaken", a dialect version of "Schnaken". So where else could Nr. 33 Schnakes have come from? The Hilverdingsen death of theSchnake born 1594 implies to me that the Hilverdingsen line was the source of the Hoefen Nr. 33 line. -- Roy Johnson
* Unverified LDS submission by H. Charles Rutter 4304 w. 59th St., (No city listed), Submission AF94-102036. No sources were given and no way was found to contact Mr. Rutter, but the records I was able to verify are accurate. -- Roy JohnsonChildren:
- 2. SCHNAKE CASPAR was born in in Hofen Nr. 33, Westfalen, Germany; died before 1674.
Generation: 4
8. SCHNACKE\SCHNAKE JOHAN was born before 1572 in Hilverdingsen 19 - head of household in 1572 and1596, Westfalen, Germany. Notes:
First, it helps to know that Unterluebbe was incorporated (exactly when I don't know) from smaller villages, including Hilverdingsen, wehre house Nr. 19 was located, and Hoefen, where house Nr. 33 was located. Sometimes they still use the old names, so Hilverdingsen 19 and Unterluebbe 19 are the same. Likewise, Hoefen 33 and Unterluebbe 33 are the same.
My earliest records come from the village register*, as church records were very spotty before 1650 adn many were destroyed in the 30 years war. So the precise line is not completely certain, but the Nr. 19 line starts with Johan Schnake with the earliest village register showing him as head of household in 1572 and again in 1596. Then Engelke Schnake in 1631, assumed to be son of Johan but might have "married the farm". Then Herman Schnake b. abt 1620, assumed to be Engelke's son but again he could have "married the farm". Whether these precise assumptions are correct or not, it is sure that all Nr. 19 Schnakes descended from Johan in one way or another.
The line from Nr. 19 to Nr. 33 is also based on some assumptions, as follows:
A Schnake b. 1594 died in Hilverdingsen. Since there was only one Schnake farm in Hilverdingsen in 1594 (I have a complete village listing of all houses), this would seem to connect him with Nr. 19 Hilverdingsen and he would be probably a son of Johan, whom we know to be the head of household in 1572 and 1596. Of course he could also be a son of another Schnake, maybe Johna' brother, but this seems to tied him to teh Hilverdingsen line. Again this is not proven but is my theory. We know from church records that teh Schnake living in Hilverdingsen had four children in 1601. On of them was most likely this person.
* "Hofstaettenfolge-Register des Dorfes Unterluebbe", Beitraege zur Ortsgeschichte, Heft I: Heimatverein zwixchen Berg und Bruch: Oberluebbe und Unterluebbe, Hille 1989. Translation: "Farmstead register of the Village of Unterluebbe, Contributions to Village Hisoty, Notebook I, Homeland between Mountain and Marsh, Oberluebbe and Unterluebbe. Hille, 1989.
Roy JohnsonChildren:
- 4. SCHNAKE SON was born in 1594; died in in Hilverdingsen.(see notes).
- SNAK\SCHNACKE ENGELKE was born before 1631 in 19 Unterluebbe, Westfalen, Germany; head of household 1631.
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